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  1. #1
    gerooky Guest

    Default A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista

    The Mojave experiment was no less than MICROSOFT PROPAGANDA of the worst
    kind!!!

    I find it INSULTING and DEGRADING of my INTELLIGENCE! Who do you think you
    are Microsoft, claiming that my perception of vista is not VALID?

    Let me tell you what a correct Vista experiment would be like:

    STEP 1)

    Buy people a computer such as the microsoft sites calls a RECOMMENDED
    configuration for vista
    along with a new copy of Vista ultimate or home premium:

    1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
    1 GB of system memory
    40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:
    WDDM Driver
    128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)
    Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware
    32 bits per pixel
    DVD-ROM drive
    Audio Output

    These machines will be not from one vendor but from all kinds of computer
    makers, just to be sure
    that we are covering a large array of different hardware.



    NOTE: this is not the basic requirements for Vista... these are the
    following:
    Windows Vista minimum supported system requirements
    Home Basic / Home Premium / Business / Ultimate

    800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory
    20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    Support for Super VGA graphics
    CD-ROM drive

    STEP 2) They will NOT be allowed to buy new peripherial hardware. They will
    have to find
    drivers for their old printers, scanners, webcams etc.
    Let them SUFFER by searching endless hours for these, and watch vista show
    an array of nice stupid blue screens and crashes

    STEP 3) If its too hard for them, we will supply a tech to help them get
    over the problems so that vista is installed on their new computers.
    We are doing this to prolong their torchure with the next step:

    STEP 4) They will have to install all their software, and some of them vista
    will no longer be compatible with them. They will add up the cost of
    replacing all that software with new versions.

    STEP 5) In the meanwhile a camera will be recording all the FRUSTRATION HATE
    ANGER AND DISGUST that the users will have
    towards vista.

    STEP 6) Upload this experiment on YOUTUBE on a channel and dedicated site,
    to show the world the TRUE CRAPPY NATURE OF VISTA!


    Conclusion: Vista is "OK" only when you get it PREINSTALLED and on a very
    high end computer that is fast enough to handle the TREMENDOUS BLOAT and
    SLOPPY code of vista.
    Then you will be in warrantee and IF YOU GET all new hardware making sure
    that there are vista drivers, the experience MAY be better than the above
    situation.

    HOWEVER we must understand that the above experiment is what MOST people
    will encounter with the hardware they already own.





  2. #2
    gerooky Guest

    Default Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista

    oh for those who don't know what MOJAVE IS please see links

    Windows XP Users Actually Love Vista... If They Think It's Something Else
    http://gizmodo.com/5028903/windows-x...something-else

    Is Microsoft's Mojave Vista experiment backfiring with users?
    http://www.betanews.com/article/Is_M...ers/1217535233





    "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message
    news:48d65e96@newsgate.x-privat.org...
    > The Mojave experiment was no less than MICROSOFT PROPAGANDA of the worst
    > kind!!!
    >
    > I find it INSULTING and DEGRADING of my INTELLIGENCE! Who do you think you
    > are Microsoft, claiming that my perception of vista is not VALID?
    >
    > Let me tell you what a correct Vista experiment would be like:
    >
    > STEP 1)
    >
    > Buy people a computer such as the microsoft sites calls a RECOMMENDED
    > configuration for vista
    > along with a new copy of Vista ultimate or home premium:
    >
    > 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
    > 1 GB of system memory
    > 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    > Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:
    > WDDM Driver
    > 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)
    > Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware
    > 32 bits per pixel
    > DVD-ROM drive
    > Audio Output
    >
    > These machines will be not from one vendor but from all kinds of computer
    > makers, just to be sure
    > that we are covering a large array of different hardware.
    >
    > NOTE: this is not the basic requirements for Vista... these are the
    > following:
    > Windows Vista minimum supported system requirements
    > Home Basic / Home Premium / Business / Ultimate
    >
    > 800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory
    > 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    > Support for Super VGA graphics
    > CD-ROM drive
    >
    > STEP 2) They will NOT be allowed to buy new peripherial hardware. They
    > will have to find
    > drivers for their old printers, scanners, webcams etc.
    > Let them SUFFER by searching endless hours for these, and watch vista show
    > an array of nice stupid blue screens and crashes
    >
    > STEP 3) If its too hard for them, we will supply a tech to help them get
    > over the problems so that vista is installed on their new computers.
    > We are doing this to prolong their torchure with the next step:
    >
    > STEP 4) They will have to install all their software, and some of them
    > vista will no longer be compatible with them. They will add up the cost of
    > replacing all that software with new versions.
    >
    > STEP 5) In the meanwhile a camera will be recording all the FRUSTRATION
    > HATE ANGER AND DISGUST that the users will have
    > towards vista.
    >
    > STEP 6) Upload this experiment on YOUTUBE on a channel and dedicated site,
    > to show the world the TRUE CRAPPY NATURE OF VISTA!
    >
    >
    > Conclusion: Vista is "OK" only when you get it PREINSTALLED and on a very
    > high end computer that is fast enough to handle the TREMENDOUS BLOAT and
    > SLOPPY code of vista.
    > Then you will be in warrantee and IF YOU GET all new hardware making sure
    > that there are vista drivers, the experience MAY be better than the above
    > situation.
    >
    > HOWEVER we must understand that the above experiment is what MOST people
    > will encounter with the hardware they already own.
    >
    >
    >
    >


  3. #3
    Mike Hall - MVP Guest

    Default Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista

    "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message
    news:48d65e96@newsgate.x-privat.org...
    > The Mojave experiment was no less than MICROSOFT PROPAGANDA of the worst
    > kind!!!
    >
    > I find it INSULTING and DEGRADING of my INTELLIGENCE! Who do you think you
    > are Microsoft, claiming that my perception of vista is not VALID?
    >
    > Let me tell you what a correct Vista experiment would be like:
    >
    > STEP 1)
    >
    > Buy people a computer such as the microsoft sites calls a RECOMMENDED
    > configuration for vista
    > along with a new copy of Vista ultimate or home premium:
    >
    > 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
    > 1 GB of system memory
    > 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    > Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:
    > WDDM Driver
    > 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)
    > Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware
    > 32 bits per pixel
    > DVD-ROM drive
    > Audio Output
    >
    > These machines will be not from one vendor but from all kinds of computer
    > makers, just to be sure
    > that we are covering a large array of different hardware.
    >
    > NOTE: this is not the basic requirements for Vista... these are the
    > following:
    > Windows Vista minimum supported system requirements
    > Home Basic / Home Premium / Business / Ultimate
    >
    > 800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory
    > 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    > Support for Super VGA graphics
    > CD-ROM drive
    >
    > STEP 2) They will NOT be allowed to buy new peripherial hardware. They
    > will have to find
    > drivers for their old printers, scanners, webcams etc.
    > Let them SUFFER by searching endless hours for these, and watch vista show
    > an array of nice stupid blue screens and crashes
    >
    > STEP 3) If its too hard for them, we will supply a tech to help them get
    > over the problems so that vista is installed on their new computers.
    > We are doing this to prolong their torchure with the next step:
    >
    > STEP 4) They will have to install all their software, and some of them
    > vista will no longer be compatible with them. They will add up the cost of
    > replacing all that software with new versions.
    >
    > STEP 5) In the meanwhile a camera will be recording all the FRUSTRATION
    > HATE ANGER AND DISGUST that the users will have
    > towards vista.
    >
    > STEP 6) Upload this experiment on YOUTUBE on a channel and dedicated site,
    > to show the world the TRUE CRAPPY NATURE OF VISTA!
    >
    >
    > Conclusion: Vista is "OK" only when you get it PREINSTALLED and on a very
    > high end computer that is fast enough to handle the TREMENDOUS BLOAT and
    > SLOPPY code of vista.
    > Then you will be in warrantee and IF YOU GET all new hardware making sure
    > that there are vista drivers, the experience MAY be better than the above
    > situation.
    >
    > HOWEVER we must understand that the above experiment is what MOST people
    > will encounter with the hardware they already own.
    >
    >
    >
    >



    At least quote the requirements correctly..

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...uirements.aspx

    The basic requirements are ok to run Vista, but as with all other operating
    systems, when you start to add programs and devices over and above what is
    OS supplied, you have to add resources.

    Bear in mind that run does not imply run really fast, and only an idiot
    would believe that any operating system will run at full speed regardless of
    spec.

    Much of the bloat is added by OEMs. If installed from an MS DVD, there is no
    more bloat than one might expect from an OS which has the capability of
    Vista.

    Drivers have ALWAYS been the responsibility of the peripheral device
    hardware manufacturers. My five year old printer and scanner worked great.

    Anybody upgrading to Vista has a responsibility to ensure that there is
    enough hardware resource to run the OS and any applications which will be
    used. Nothing has changed in this respect.

    The biggest frustration for new users is UAC which can be disabled easily
    enough.

    My computer is not exactly high end for Vista or XP.

    I am running Ubuntu on a PIII 933, 512mb, 32mb video, and it is worse than
    useless. No fancy graphics, appalling desktop, slow, constant updates,
    wireless adapter will not work with it.

    Before too long, I will re-install Win 2000 and make it a usable piece of
    equipment again..




    --
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    How to construct a good post..
    http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
    How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
    http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
    Mike's Window - My Blog..
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx





  4. #4
    D.Eth Guest

    Default Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista

    On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:47:10 +0300, gerooky wrote:

    >snipped


    There's something wrong with you.
    Don't use Vista if you don't like it.

    Install the Linux distro of your choice ... and use it.
    Then go hound their NG's with all the downfalls of Linux, and why if you
    had any talent, you could do something besides whine.

    We all know no talent people ... and their incessant whining / bitching
    makes them even easier to avoid.

    --
    Ens causa sui
    Fit caedes omnibus locis

  5. #5
    Charles Tomaras Guest

    Default Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista


    "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message
    news:48d65e96@newsgate.x-privat.org...
    > The Mojave experiment was no less than MICROSOFT PROPAGANDA of the worst
    > kind!!!
    >
    > I find it INSULTING and DEGRADING of my INTELLIGENCE! Who do you think you
    > are Microsoft, claiming that my perception of vista is not VALID?
    >


    Ok, if all of your hardware stuff is taken out of the equation and you had a
    computer and peripherals that run Vista well, do you like the OS and it's
    features? Let's stop comparing a used Ford Fiesta to a new Ford Explorer. No
    matter what you do with the Fiesta it's never gonna carry a family of 6 nor
    go from 0-60 very quickly.



  6. #6
    +Bob+ Guest

    Default Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista

    On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:18:37 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"
    <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:


    >The basic requirements are ok to run Vista, but as with all other operating
    >systems, when you start to add programs and devices over and above what is
    >OS supplied, you have to add resources.


    Sorry Mike, but those requirements are total BS. Vista can't run at a
    usable speed on that config.

    >Bear in mind that run does not imply run really fast, and only an idiot
    >would believe that any operating system will run at full speed regardless of
    >spec.


    Actually, when I see the hardware requirements for most software
    packages, including those from MS, I find that they are fairly
    accurate. True, you run more slowly thorough large operations with the
    products but they are usable on the minimum config. Vista is not
    usable on the stated config.

    >Much of the bloat is added by OEMs. If installed from an MS DVD, there is no
    >more bloat than one might expect from an OS which has the capability of
    >Vista.


    Please tell me what capabilities Vista has over XP (which runs faster
    on half the hardware and is far more compatible).

    >Drivers have ALWAYS been the responsibility of the peripheral device
    >hardware manufacturers. My five year old printer and scanner worked great.


    But there were plenty of XP compatible drivers. Why couldn't MS build
    an interface back to those drivers? They either did it intentionally,
    or simply declined to spend the money to do it.

    >Anybody upgrading to Vista has a responsibility to ensure that there is
    >enough hardware resource to run the OS and any applications which will be
    >used. Nothing has changed in this respect.


    Except that Vista obsoleted a huge share of hardware and software and
    previous releases of MS OS's did not.

    >The biggest frustration for new users is UAC which can be disabled easily
    >enough.


    Agreed. It ----s. It's worthless. Instead of actually making the OS
    more secure, they stuck a useless feature on top as a band-aid.

    >My computer is not exactly high end for Vista or XP.


    My XP machine with 50% of the hardware capability runs faster through
    the same applications.

    >I am running Ubuntu on a PIII 933, 512mb, 32mb video, and it is worse than
    >useless. No fancy graphics, appalling desktop, slow, constant updates,
    >wireless adapter will not work with it.
    >
    >Before too long, I will re-install Win 2000 and make it a usable piece of
    >equipment again..


    Win2000 is an excellent choice. Fast, efficient, with almost all the
    capabilities we needed. XP was a little bloated but could be
    corrected. It added little except VPN but it was usable. Vista is
    beyond correction and requires "toleration" instead.





  7. #7
    +Bob+ Guest

    Default Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista

    On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:47:10 +0300, "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote:

    >The Mojave experiment was no less than MICROSOFT PROPAGANDA of the worst
    >kind!!!
    >
    >I find it INSULTING and DEGRADING of my INTELLIGENCE! Who do you think you
    >are Microsoft, claiming that my perception of vista is not VALID?


    It's CYA time to try to defray some of the bad press. Don't blame
    them, pity them instead.

    <experiment snipped>

    >Conclusion: Vista is "OK" only when you get it PREINSTALLED and on a very
    >high end computer that is fast enough to handle the TREMENDOUS BLOAT and
    >SLOPPY code of vista.


    Too true.

    >Then you will be in warrantee and IF YOU GET all new hardware making sure
    >that there are vista drivers, the experience MAY be better than the above
    >situation.


    >HOWEVER we must understand that the above experiment is what MOST people
    >will encounter with the hardware they already own.


    Again, too true. But, MS isn't going to tell you that :-)


  8. #8
    gerooky Guest

    Default Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista

    I copy pasted the requirements from the microsoft site. They are correct.
    If people want more details there is a thing called google.

    > Bear in mind that run does not imply run really fast, and only an idiot
    > would believe that any operating system will run at full speed regardless
    > of spec.


    No, It will run unbearably SLOW! So slow you can see grass grow faster! lol
    Even on a single core 2.6 ghz with 1.25 gigs ram (my test machine) vista was
    far too slow to be a good experience.

    > Anybody upgrading to Vista has a responsibility to ensure that there is
    > enough hardware resource to run the OS and any applications which will be
    > used. Nothing has changed in this respect.


    Yeah make an OS based on NT that cant use many of the drivers XP had, then
    blame all the problems on the user!
    GOOD RESPONSE, one of a parrot repeating trained MVP! Sorry sir, Vista could
    have been FAR MORE COMPATIBLE with XP drivers!
    It's a matter of Vista design!

    > The biggest frustration for new users is UAC which can be disabled easily
    > enough.


    No the biggest frustration about vista is that it basically doesn't work as
    it should, its unreliable and has so many bugs and problems that each day
    people have new challenges with it.
    Don't believe me? SURF THE WEB AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT VISTA!
    lol

    > I am running Ubuntu on a PIII 933, 512mb, 32mb video, and it is worse than
    > useless. No fancy graphics, appalling desktop, slow, constant updates,
    > wireless adapter will not work with it.


    It can also run XP with some tweaks or XP fundamentals, with no problem at
    all. They are planning to put XP on the OLPC small laptops!

    Its your US economy that is going down the drain, and people don't have
    enough to survive, let alone to buy new 4 core computers just to run vista!

    That was Microsofts mistake, they didn't care about people, they wrongly
    thought that people could be still buy a new computers every 3 or 4 years.
    That model is no longer valid, and microsoft AT LAST has realized this,
    and is planning on making PERFORMANCE the number one goal for IE8 and
    Windows7. People want to still be able to use their investment for as long
    as possible,
    without MS making bloat for bloat without thinking.

    in order them (microsoft) to wake up to this reality it means that a whole
    lot of people complained about vistas bloat.

    Vista is the worst OS... its totally crap.. and it's a big disapointment.


    "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
    news:u1qkT1$GJHA.4296@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message
    > news:48d65e96@newsgate.x-privat.org...
    >> The Mojave experiment was no less than MICROSOFT PROPAGANDA of the worst
    >> kind!!!
    >>
    >> I find it INSULTING and DEGRADING of my INTELLIGENCE! Who do you think
    >> you are Microsoft, claiming that my perception of vista is not VALID?
    >>
    >> Let me tell you what a correct Vista experiment would be like:
    >>
    >> STEP 1)
    >>
    >> Buy people a computer such as the microsoft sites calls a RECOMMENDED
    >> configuration for vista
    >> along with a new copy of Vista ultimate or home premium:
    >>
    >> 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
    >> 1 GB of system memory
    >> 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    >> Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:
    >> WDDM Driver
    >> 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)
    >> Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware
    >> 32 bits per pixel
    >> DVD-ROM drive
    >> Audio Output
    >>
    >> These machines will be not from one vendor but from all kinds of computer
    >> makers, just to be sure
    >> that we are covering a large array of different hardware.
    >>
    >> NOTE: this is not the basic requirements for Vista... these are the
    >> following:
    >> Windows Vista minimum supported system requirements
    >> Home Basic / Home Premium / Business / Ultimate
    >>
    >> 800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory
    >> 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    >> Support for Super VGA graphics
    >> CD-ROM drive
    >>
    >> STEP 2) They will NOT be allowed to buy new peripherial hardware. They
    >> will have to find
    >> drivers for their old printers, scanners, webcams etc.
    >> Let them SUFFER by searching endless hours for these, and watch vista
    >> show an array of nice stupid blue screens and crashes
    >>
    >> STEP 3) If its too hard for them, we will supply a tech to help them get
    >> over the problems so that vista is installed on their new computers.
    >> We are doing this to prolong their torchure with the next step:
    >>
    >> STEP 4) They will have to install all their software, and some of them
    >> vista will no longer be compatible with them. They will add up the cost
    >> of replacing all that software with new versions.
    >>
    >> STEP 5) In the meanwhile a camera will be recording all the FRUSTRATION
    >> HATE ANGER AND DISGUST that the users will have
    >> towards vista.
    >>
    >> STEP 6) Upload this experiment on YOUTUBE on a channel and dedicated
    >> site, to show the world the TRUE CRAPPY NATURE OF VISTA!
    >>
    >>
    >> Conclusion: Vista is "OK" only when you get it PREINSTALLED and on a very
    >> high end computer that is fast enough to handle the TREMENDOUS BLOAT and
    >> SLOPPY code of vista.
    >> Then you will be in warrantee and IF YOU GET all new hardware making sure
    >> that there are vista drivers, the experience MAY be better than the above
    >> situation.
    >>
    >> HOWEVER we must understand that the above experiment is what MOST people
    >> will encounter with the hardware they already own.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > At least quote the requirements correctly..
    >
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...uirements.aspx
    >
    > The basic requirements are ok to run Vista, but as with all other
    > operating systems, when you start to add programs and devices over and
    > above what is OS supplied, you have to add resources.
    >
    > Bear in mind that run does not imply run really fast, and only an idiot
    > would believe that any operating system will run at full speed regardless
    > of spec.
    >
    > Much of the bloat is added by OEMs. If installed from an MS DVD, there is
    > no more bloat than one might expect from an OS which has the capability of
    > Vista.
    >
    > Drivers have ALWAYS been the responsibility of the peripheral device
    > hardware manufacturers. My five year old printer and scanner worked great.
    >
    > Anybody upgrading to Vista has a responsibility to ensure that there is
    > enough hardware resource to run the OS and any applications which will be
    > used. Nothing has changed in this respect.
    >
    > The biggest frustration for new users is UAC which can be disabled easily
    > enough.
    >
    > My computer is not exactly high end for Vista or XP.
    >
    > I am running Ubuntu on a PIII 933, 512mb, 32mb video, and it is worse than
    > useless. No fancy graphics, appalling desktop, slow, constant updates,
    > wireless adapter will not work with it.
    >
    > Before too long, I will re-install Win 2000 and make it a usable piece of
    > equipment again..
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Mike Hall - MVP
    > How to construct a good post..
    > http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
    > How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
    > Mike's Window - My Blog..
    > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
    >
    >
    >
    >


  9. #9
    Ringmaster Guest

    Default Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista

    On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:21:30 +0200 (CEST), "D.Eth" <death@thedoor.nxt>
    wrote:

    >On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:47:10 +0300, gerooky wrote:
    >
    >>snipped

    >
    >There's something wrong with you.
    >Don't use Vista if you don't like it.
    >
    >Install the Linux distro of your choice ... and use it.
    >Then go hound their NG's with all the downfalls of Linux, and why if you
    >had any talent, you could do something besides whine.
    >
    >We all know no talent people ... and their incessant whining / bitching
    >makes them even easier to avoid.


    No talent? You means idiots like you that stick their heads in the
    sand and try to pretend nothing is wrong with Vista. I guess.

  10. #10
    Tom Allen Guest

    Default Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista


    "gerooky" <g@ish.com> wrote in message
    news:48d65e96@newsgate.x-privat.org...

    >
    > I find it INSULTING and DEGRADING of my INTELLIGENCE! Who do you think
    > you are Microsoft, claiming that my perception of vista is not VALID?
    >


    That's a bit rich as you do little else but claim any other perception
    but you own is invalid.

    Tom



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