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  1. #41
    Memnoch Guest

    Default Re: People hate Linux

    On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:19:02 -0500, TruthSquad@hope.com wrote:

    >On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:51:25 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"
    ><mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:
    >
    >>"Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
    >>news:gcg43i$4u4$1@aioe.org...
    >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:2C6DEC98-5D09-4210-8905-DD063F9C90C7@microsoft.com...
    >>>>> There is a computer super store proudly presenting Ubuntu pre-installed
    >>>>> systems on display in my neighborhood in UK. Well,these are the signs of
    >>>>> things to come.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Those signs will disappear soon enough. People would rather pay more for
    >>>> a Mac..
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Since when are you a spokesperson for all the people in the world?
    >>>
    >>> Alias

    >>
    >>
    >>Usage figures say it all.

    >
    >Still spreading bullshit?
    >
    >The main reason more people "use' Windows is it comes preinstalled on
    >most boxes you buy including all the popular brands. In other words
    >the end user isn't asked what OS he would prefer and doesn't decide,
    >the decision has already been made for him. Since most users of PC's
    >don't want to reinstall a new OS and would be rather pointless once
    >you already paid for what been already preinstalled, Windows remains
    >on top. If Windows had to compete fairly it likely wouldn't be on top
    >surely not by as wide a margin.


    As long as the gaming industry for PCs continues to drive hardware development
    I don't see that situation changing any time soon. I've never worked for a
    company that hasn't used Windows for its OS, either desktop or server. Well,
    that's not quite true. About 10 to 12 years ago for an old company we had a
    Novell mirror server installed. But certainly nothing since.



  2. #42
    Frank Guest

    Default Re: People hate Linux

    Alias wrote:

    > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >
    >> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
    >> news:gcg43i$4u4$1@aioe.org...
    >>
    >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:2C6DEC98-5D09-4210-8905-DD063F9C90C7@microsoft.com...
    >>>>
    >>>>> There is a computer super store proudly presenting Ubuntu
    >>>>> pre-installed
    >>>>> systems on display in my neighborhood in UK. Well,these are the
    >>>>> signs of
    >>>>> things to come.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Those signs will disappear soon enough. People would rather pay more
    >>>> for a Mac..
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Since when are you a spokesperson for all the people in the world?
    >>>
    >>> Alias

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Usage figures say it all.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Statistics can be used to say almost anything. Fact: you didn't hear
    > much about Linux on XP General from it's inception until a few years
    > ago. You didn't see much about it in the mainstream media. Now you do.
    > You couldn't get a preinstalled Linux machine easily back then. Now you
    > can. Ever hear of trends? MS is on a trend, too, down the slippery slope
    > of holding your paying customers in total disdain.
    >

    Nice dance...now look at and try and deny the real figures.
    urbuttoo is a dismal failure by any accounting.
    Just like you are.


  3. #43
    Mike Hall - MVP Guest

    Default Re: People hate Linux

    "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
    news:gcgtrn$cr6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
    > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
    >> news:gcg43i$4u4$1@aioe.org...
    >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:2C6DEC98-5D09-4210-8905-DD063F9C90C7@microsoft.com...
    >>>>> There is a computer super store proudly presenting Ubuntu
    >>>>> pre-installed
    >>>>> systems on display in my neighborhood in UK. Well,these are the signs
    >>>>> of
    >>>>> things to come.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Those signs will disappear soon enough. People would rather pay more
    >>>> for a Mac..
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Since when are you a spokesperson for all the people in the world?
    >>>
    >>> Alias

    >>
    >>
    >> Usage figures say it all.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Statistics can be used to say almost anything. Fact: you didn't hear much
    > about Linux on XP General from it's inception until a few years ago. You
    > didn't see much about it in the mainstream media. Now you do. You couldn't
    > get a preinstalled Linux machine easily back then. Now you can. Ever hear
    > of trends? MS is on a trend, too, down the slippery slope of holding your
    > paying customers in total disdain.
    >
    > Alias



    To the point where they would rather pay more for a Mac.

    It doesn't say much for Linux that people would rather pay more than a Vista
    box costs than go for the FREE option, does it.

    Consumers want a polished product.. take note.. MS is not finished yet, not
    hardly..


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  4. #44
    st Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux

    "Ramesh Kumar MVP" <Ramesh.Kumar.MVP.3gx8b7@winvistaclub.com> сообщил/сообщила в новостях следующее: news:Ramesh.Kumar.MVP.3gx8b7@winvistaclub.com...

    >
    > 'Carey Frisch [MVP Wrote:

    >> ;108113']"Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled
    >> with Linux are returned
    >> four times more often than those with Windows. This would indicate
    >> what others
    >> have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and then
    >> realize that
    >> the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.


    Probably because Linux notebook manufacturers sometimes forget to install drivers?

  5. #45
    Alias Guest

    Default Re: People hate Linux

    Frank wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >
    >> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:gcg43i$4u4$1@aioe.org...
    >>>
    >>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:2C6DEC98-5D09-4210-8905-DD063F9C90C7@microsoft.com...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> There is a computer super store proudly presenting Ubuntu
    >>>>>> pre-installed
    >>>>>> systems on display in my neighborhood in UK. Well,these are the
    >>>>>> signs of
    >>>>>> things to come.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Those signs will disappear soon enough. People would rather pay
    >>>>> more for a Mac..
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Since when are you a spokesperson for all the people in the world?
    >>>>
    >>>> Alias
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Usage figures say it all.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Statistics can be used to say almost anything. Fact: you didn't hear
    >> much about Linux on XP General from it's inception until a few years
    >> ago. You didn't see much about it in the mainstream media. Now you do.
    >> You couldn't get a preinstalled Linux machine easily back then. Now
    >> you can. Ever hear of trends? MS is on a trend, too, down the slippery
    >> slope of holding your paying customers in total disdain.
    >>

    > Nice dance...now look at and try and deny the real figures.
    > urbuttoo is a dismal failure by any accounting.
    > Just like you are.
    >


    Can't address content so you make things up and spew the usual insults.
    You're a one trick pony, Frank.

    Alias

  6. #46
    Alias Guest

    Default Re: People hate Linux

    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    > "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:gcgtrn$cr6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
    >> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:gcg43i$4u4$1@aioe.org...
    >>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:2C6DEC98-5D09-4210-8905-DD063F9C90C7@microsoft.com...
    >>>>>> There is a computer super store proudly presenting Ubuntu
    >>>>>> pre-installed
    >>>>>> systems on display in my neighborhood in UK. Well,these are the
    >>>>>> signs of
    >>>>>> things to come.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Those signs will disappear soon enough. People would rather pay
    >>>>> more for a Mac..
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Since when are you a spokesperson for all the people in the world?
    >>>>
    >>>> Alias
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Usage figures say it all.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Statistics can be used to say almost anything. Fact: you didn't hear
    >> much about Linux on XP General from it's inception until a few years
    >> ago. You didn't see much about it in the mainstream media. Now you do.
    >> You couldn't get a preinstalled Linux machine easily back then. Now
    >> you can. Ever hear of trends? MS is on a trend, too, down the slippery
    >> slope of holding your paying customers in total disdain.
    >>
    >> Alias

    >
    >
    > To the point where they would rather pay more for a Mac.
    >
    > It doesn't say much for Linux that people would rather pay more than a
    > Vista box costs than go for the FREE option, does it.
    >
    > Consumers want a polished product.. take note.. MS is not finished yet,
    > not hardly..
    >
    >


    So you, too, have a reading comprehension problem. Again, no one was
    talking about Linux three years ago and now everyone is. MS is not
    finished, nor did I say it was. I wrote, and I quote, "MS is on a trend,
    too, down the slippery slope of holding your paying customers in total
    disdain." This means they are on their way out, not out already. Rome
    didn't fall in one day either.

    If what you say about a polished product is true, Linux will be the
    dominant OS quite shortly being as it isn't vulnerable to malware or
    suffer from BSODs like Windows does.

    I have been installing Ubuntu now on computers for almost two years.
    Those who insisted on keeping Windows have been back numerous times
    because they need me to can clean up their machines that are constantly
    infested with malware. Those who have Ubuntu have not had that need.

    Alias

  7. #47
    Mike Hall - MVP Guest

    Default Re: People hate Linux

    "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
    news:gci4tn$dtm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
    > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:gcgtrn$cr6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
    >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:gcg43i$4u4$1@aioe.org...
    >>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:2C6DEC98-5D09-4210-8905-DD063F9C90C7@microsoft.com...
    >>>>>>> There is a computer super store proudly presenting Ubuntu
    >>>>>>> pre-installed
    >>>>>>> systems on display in my neighborhood in UK. Well,these are the
    >>>>>>> signs of
    >>>>>>> things to come.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Those signs will disappear soon enough. People would rather pay more
    >>>>>> for a Mac..
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Since when are you a spokesperson for all the people in the world?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Alias
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Usage figures say it all.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Statistics can be used to say almost anything. Fact: you didn't hear
    >>> much about Linux on XP General from it's inception until a few years
    >>> ago. You didn't see much about it in the mainstream media. Now you do.
    >>> You couldn't get a preinstalled Linux machine easily back then. Now you
    >>> can. Ever hear of trends? MS is on a trend, too, down the slippery slope
    >>> of holding your paying customers in total disdain.
    >>>
    >>> Alias

    >>
    >>
    >> To the point where they would rather pay more for a Mac.
    >>
    >> It doesn't say much for Linux that people would rather pay more than a
    >> Vista box costs than go for the FREE option, does it.
    >>
    >> Consumers want a polished product.. take note.. MS is not finished yet,
    >> not hardly..
    >>
    >>

    >
    > So you, too, have a reading comprehension problem. Again, no one was
    > talking about Linux three years ago and now everyone is. MS is not
    > finished, nor did I say it was. I wrote, and I quote, "MS is on a trend,
    > too, down the slippery slope of holding your paying customers in total
    > disdain." This means they are on their way out, not out already. Rome
    > didn't fall in one day either.
    >
    > If what you say about a polished product is true, Linux will be the
    > dominant OS quite shortly being as it isn't vulnerable to malware or
    > suffer from BSODs like Windows does.
    >
    > I have been installing Ubuntu now on computers for almost two years. Those
    > who insisted on keeping Windows have been back numerous times because they
    > need me to can clean up their machines that are constantly infested with
    > malware. Those who have Ubuntu have not had that need.
    >
    > Alias



    Nothing wrong with my comprehension that Mac is outstripping Linux even
    though Mac is more expensive than a Vista PC.. this puts Linux in LAST place
    still, even though it is FREE..

    Last place, Alias, despite all of your efforts here..

    --
    Mike Hall - MVP
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  8. #48
    Alias Guest

    Default Re: People hate Linux

    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    > "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:gci4tn$dtm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
    >> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:gcgtrn$cr6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
    >>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:gcg43i$4u4$1@aioe.org...
    >>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>>>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    >>>>>>> message news:2C6DEC98-5D09-4210-8905-DD063F9C90C7@microsoft.com...
    >>>>>>>> There is a computer super store proudly presenting Ubuntu
    >>>>>>>> pre-installed
    >>>>>>>> systems on display in my neighborhood in UK. Well,these are the
    >>>>>>>> signs of
    >>>>>>>> things to come.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Those signs will disappear soon enough. People would rather pay
    >>>>>>> more for a Mac..
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Since when are you a spokesperson for all the people in the world?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Alias
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Usage figures say it all.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Statistics can be used to say almost anything. Fact: you didn't hear
    >>>> much about Linux on XP General from it's inception until a few years
    >>>> ago. You didn't see much about it in the mainstream media. Now you
    >>>> do. You couldn't get a preinstalled Linux machine easily back then.
    >>>> Now you can. Ever hear of trends? MS is on a trend, too, down the
    >>>> slippery slope of holding your paying customers in total disdain.
    >>>>
    >>>> Alias
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> To the point where they would rather pay more for a Mac.
    >>>
    >>> It doesn't say much for Linux that people would rather pay more than
    >>> a Vista box costs than go for the FREE option, does it.
    >>>
    >>> Consumers want a polished product.. take note.. MS is not finished
    >>> yet, not hardly..
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> So you, too, have a reading comprehension problem. Again, no one was
    >> talking about Linux three years ago and now everyone is. MS is not
    >> finished, nor did I say it was. I wrote, and I quote, "MS is on a
    >> trend, too, down the slippery slope of holding your paying customers
    >> in total disdain." This means they are on their way out, not out
    >> already. Rome didn't fall in one day either.
    >>
    >> If what you say about a polished product is true, Linux will be the
    >> dominant OS quite shortly being as it isn't vulnerable to malware or
    >> suffer from BSODs like Windows does.
    >>
    >> I have been installing Ubuntu now on computers for almost two years.
    >> Those who insisted on keeping Windows have been back numerous times
    >> because they need me to can clean up their machines that are
    >> constantly infested with malware. Those who have Ubuntu have not had
    >> that need.
    >>
    >> Alias

    >
    >
    > Nothing wrong with my comprehension that Mac is outstripping Linux even
    > though Mac is more expensive than a Vista PC.. this puts Linux in LAST
    > place still, even though it is FREE..
    >
    > Last place, Alias, despite all of your efforts here..
    >


    Your reading comprehension is totally skewered by your ill informed
    bias. A trend doesn't mean first place. People were talking about Macs
    back in 84, it made the mainstream media and movies were even made about
    it. So, naturally, it has grown some. Linux is just now getting the
    mainstream media attention. Do you get it yet?

    Alias

  9. #49
    Mike Hall - MVP Guest

    Default Re: People hate Linux

    "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
    news:gci6r9$qp4$1@aioe.org...
    > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:gci4tn$dtm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
    >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:gcgtrn$cr6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
    >>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:gcg43i$4u4$1@aioe.org...
    >>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    >>>>>>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:2C6DEC98-5D09-4210-8905-DD063F9C90C7@microsoft.com...
    >>>>>>>>> There is a computer super store proudly presenting Ubuntu
    >>>>>>>>> pre-installed
    >>>>>>>>> systems on display in my neighborhood in UK. Well,these are the
    >>>>>>>>> signs of
    >>>>>>>>> things to come.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Those signs will disappear soon enough. People would rather pay
    >>>>>>>> more for a Mac..
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Since when are you a spokesperson for all the people in the world?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Alias
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Usage figures say it all.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Statistics can be used to say almost anything. Fact: you didn't hear
    >>>>> much about Linux on XP General from it's inception until a few years
    >>>>> ago. You didn't see much about it in the mainstream media. Now you do.
    >>>>> You couldn't get a preinstalled Linux machine easily back then. Now
    >>>>> you can. Ever hear of trends? MS is on a trend, too, down the slippery
    >>>>> slope of holding your paying customers in total disdain.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Alias
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> To the point where they would rather pay more for a Mac.
    >>>>
    >>>> It doesn't say much for Linux that people would rather pay more than a
    >>>> Vista box costs than go for the FREE option, does it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Consumers want a polished product.. take note.. MS is not finished yet,
    >>>> not hardly..
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> So you, too, have a reading comprehension problem. Again, no one was
    >>> talking about Linux three years ago and now everyone is. MS is not
    >>> finished, nor did I say it was. I wrote, and I quote, "MS is on a trend,
    >>> too, down the slippery slope of holding your paying customers in total
    >>> disdain." This means they are on their way out, not out already. Rome
    >>> didn't fall in one day either.
    >>>
    >>> If what you say about a polished product is true, Linux will be the
    >>> dominant OS quite shortly being as it isn't vulnerable to malware or
    >>> suffer from BSODs like Windows does.
    >>>
    >>> I have been installing Ubuntu now on computers for almost two years.
    >>> Those who insisted on keeping Windows have been back numerous times
    >>> because they need me to can clean up their machines that are constantly
    >>> infested with malware. Those who have Ubuntu have not had that need.
    >>>
    >>> Alias

    >>
    >>
    >> Nothing wrong with my comprehension that Mac is outstripping Linux even
    >> though Mac is more expensive than a Vista PC.. this puts Linux in LAST
    >> place still, even though it is FREE..
    >>
    >> Last place, Alias, despite all of your efforts here..
    >>

    >
    > Your reading comprehension is totally skewered by your ill informed bias.
    > A trend doesn't mean first place. People were talking about Macs back in
    > 84, it made the mainstream media and movies were even made about it. So,
    > naturally, it has grown some. Linux is just now getting the mainstream
    > media attention. Do you get it yet?
    >
    > Alias


    Ill informed bias? Apple is cock-a-hoop re their increased Mac sales. Don't
    blame me for people wanting something decent even though they have to pay
    more for it. I don't publish the sales figures.

    Let people make their own choice instead of bludgeoning them with XX days to
    go before yet another 'more of the same' Ubuntu version.

    Your own personal campaign is doing nothing for the sales and use of Linux
    other than getting people to look at Macs.

    It is a three horse race, and Linux for desktops is the one running on aging
    wooden legs.

    --
    Mike Hall - MVP
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  10. #50
    +Bob+ Guest

    Default Re: People hate Linux

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:38:02 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"
    <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:

    >
    >Nothing wrong with my comprehension that Mac is outstripping Linux even
    >though Mac is more expensive than a Vista PC.. this puts Linux in LAST place
    >still, even though it is FREE..
    >
    >Last place, Alias, despite all of your efforts here..


    I'm no fan of LInux on the desktop but there are two factors to
    consider here. First, Macs have a very serious, very expensive
    marketing effort behind them. That's the ONLY reason Apple has gone
    belly up. It's worth noting that Linux has as far as it has with no
    marketing at all.

    Secondly, Linux has taken over the web server market - a very
    important market - despite massive marketing and pressure from MS to
    stop it. Facts are facts: Linux is a solid product that has acquired
    its position simply based on an ability to do the job required.

    MS retains pre-existing market position only based on sheer size and
    deep pockets: if a smaller company had come out with Vista (without
    the ability to force vendors to sell its latest OS), they would be
    filing for bankruptcy.

    Vista is a flop and reflects MS's inability to produce quality
    software, to listen to its real users, or to simply act in a
    reasonable manner towards its customers.





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