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  1. #1
    Carey Frisch [MVP] Guest

    Default People just hate Linux

    "Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled with Linux are returned
    four times more often than those with Windows. This would indicate what others
    have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and then realize that
    the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.

    The main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based machines] is Linux.
    People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know what they get until
    they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start realizing that
    it's not what they are used to. They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    bring it back to the store.

    Clearly, Windows is far superior to Linux is the "Real World" of computing!

    Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=557





  2. #2
    DanS Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux

    "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
    news:O3grHZCKJHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

    'People just hate Linux' is not what the article said.



    > "Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled with
    > Linux are returned four times more often than those with Windows.
    > This would indicate what others have already noted, many consumers
    > pick up the cheaper systems and then realize that the Linux system is
    > not what they are used to so they return it.
    >
    > The main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based machines]
    > is Linux. People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know
    > what they get until they open the box. They start playing around with
    > Linux and start realizing that it's not what they are used to. They
    > don't want to spend time to learn it so they bring it back to the
    > store.
    >
    > Clearly, Windows is far superior to Linux is the "Real World" of
    > computing!
    >
    > Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=557
    >
    >
    >



  3. #3
    xfile Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux

    >They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    > bring it back to the store.


    Without reading the article and assuming the above is quoted from the
    article, just hope Microsoft and MVPs and their diehard supporters could
    remember and learn from it and understand that it's a normal behavior and
    stop flaming people for being too lazy to learn anything.

    It could work for you (as in this case) or against you if you are too
    ignorant to know.


    "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    news:O3grHZCKJHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > "Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled with Linux
    > are returned
    > four times more often than those with Windows. This would indicate what
    > others
    > have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and then
    > realize that
    > the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.
    >
    > The main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based machines] is
    > Linux.
    > People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know what they get
    > until
    > they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start
    > realizing that
    > it's not what they are used to. They don't want to spend time to learn it
    > so they
    > bring it back to the store.
    >
    > Clearly, Windows is far superior to Linux is the "Real World" of
    > computing!
    >
    > Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=557
    >
    >




  4. #4
    brummyfan Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux



    "xfile" wrote:

    > >They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    > > bring it back to the store.

    >
    > Without reading the article and assuming the above is quoted from the
    > article, just hope Microsoft and MVPs and their diehard supporters could
    > remember and learn from it and understand that it's a normal behavior and
    > stop flaming people for being too lazy to learn anything.
    >
    > It could work for you (as in this case) or against you if you are too
    > ignorant to know.
    >
    >
    > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:O3grHZCKJHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > > "Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled with Linux
    > > are returned
    > > four times more often than those with Windows. This would indicate what
    > > others
    > > have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and then
    > > realize that
    > > the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.
    > >
    > > The main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based machines] is
    > > Linux.
    > > People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know what they get
    > > until
    > > they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start
    > > realizing that
    > > it's not what they are used to. They don't want to spend time to learn it
    > > so they
    > > bring it back to the store.
    > >
    > > Clearly, Windows is far superior to Linux is the "Real World" of
    > > computing!
    > >
    > > Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=557
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >
    >They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    > bring it back to the store.


    Exactly, these people want to keep the general public in complete ignorance
    so that they can make huge profits for themselves.
    I couldn't find anything difficult in learning Linux system and its a
    wonderful system to work on it. I enjoy computing more now than before, only
    regret is "why didn't I switch earlier".

  5. #5
    Mike Hall - MVP Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux

    "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:%23QXIwPDKJHA.728@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > >They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    >> bring it back to the store.

    >
    > Without reading the article and assuming the above is quoted from the
    > article, just hope Microsoft and MVPs and their diehard supporters could
    > remember and learn from it and understand that it's a normal behavior and
    > stop flaming people for being too lazy to learn anything.
    >
    > It could work for you (as in this case) or against you if you are too
    > ignorant to know.
    >
    >
    > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:O3grHZCKJHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> "Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled with Linux
    >> are returned
    >> four times more often than those with Windows. This would indicate what
    >> others
    >> have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and then
    >> realize that
    >> the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.
    >>
    >> The main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based machines] is
    >> Linux.
    >> People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know what they get
    >> until
    >> they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start
    >> realizing that
    >> it's not what they are used to. They don't want to spend time to learn it
    >> so they
    >> bring it back to the store.
    >>
    >> Clearly, Windows is far superior to Linux is the "Real World" of
    >> computing!
    >>
    >> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=557
    >>
    >>

    >
    >



    Just read the article..


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  6. #6
    Mike Hall - MVP Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux

    "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:4382C4E9-C700-4FFB-9674-DA0073B84ACB@microsoft.com...
    >
    >
    > "xfile" wrote:
    >
    >> >They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    >> > bring it back to the store.

    >>
    >> Without reading the article and assuming the above is quoted from the
    >> article, just hope Microsoft and MVPs and their diehard supporters could
    >> remember and learn from it and understand that it's a normal behavior and
    >> stop flaming people for being too lazy to learn anything.
    >>
    >> It could work for you (as in this case) or against you if you are too
    >> ignorant to know.
    >>
    >>
    >> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:O3grHZCKJHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> > "Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled with
    >> > Linux
    >> > are returned
    >> > four times more often than those with Windows. This would indicate
    >> > what
    >> > others
    >> > have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and then
    >> > realize that
    >> > the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.
    >> >
    >> > The main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based machines] is
    >> > Linux.
    >> > People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know what they get
    >> > until
    >> > they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start
    >> > realizing that
    >> > it's not what they are used to. They don't want to spend time to learn
    >> > it
    >> > so they
    >> > bring it back to the store.
    >> >
    >> > Clearly, Windows is far superior to Linux is the "Real World" of
    >> > computing!
    >> >
    >> > Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=557
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    >> bring it back to the store.

    >
    > Exactly, these people want to keep the general public in complete
    > ignorance
    > so that they can make huge profits for themselves.
    > I couldn't find anything difficult in learning Linux system and its a
    > wonderful system to work on it. I enjoy computing more now than before,
    > only
    > regret is "why didn't I switch earlier".



    Because you couldn't have handled the command line versions?


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  7. #7
    Saucy Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux

    "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    news:O3grHZCKJHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > "Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled with Linux
    > are returned
    > four times more often than those with Windows. This would indicate what
    > others
    > have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and then
    > realize that
    > the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.
    >
    > The main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based machines] is
    > Linux.
    > People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know what they get
    > until
    > they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start
    > realizing that
    > it's not what they are used to. They don't want to spend time to learn it
    > so they
    > bring it back to the store.
    >
    > Clearly, Windows is far superior to Linux is the "Real World" of
    > computing!
    >
    > Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=557
    >
    >



    Hits the nail on the head.

    Linux is a nightmare.

    Configuration files all over the place, each with its own way of
    configuring -- e.g. it's like going the odyssey journey just to trying to
    change the screen resolution. What, there's an applet to do it? LOL Tried
    that and that's what frigged it up!

    Linux is a headache. Updating a typical Linux install can involve many
    hundreds of megabytes of updating if not gigabytes. And pray that the buggy
    updater doesn't fail - 'cause Linux updaters do - spectacularly. Which means
    a re-install, device configuring and trying the updater again. LOL. What a
    nightmare.

    Linux is ugly. How come in a few short months Apple can make Unix sorta
    polished looking albeit in a monochromatic boring sort of way, yet all these
    years KDE and Gnome for Linux remains really ugly like it's Windows 95's
    cousin with acne? Ubuntu Linux, the one they are currently pushing for the
    desktop, is so hold-hands-in-a-circle politically correct ugly that you
    wouldn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole. Yuck.

    Linux is so badly supported it's amazing that .. well, it's so badly
    support that it's even a credit to the ingenuity of its supporters that
    anything runs with it at all! But when you go get your new handycam or new
    printer, the manufacturer will not be supporting Linux. So a Linux user will
    have to write their own device driver, or hope that some other Linux user
    will write one for free in the next few months or couple years ... or just
    be willing to do without and to get in the car and return the equipment.

    On the other hand, if the Linux user really wants the hardware to work, the
    Linux user could reformat the hard drive and install Windows [an operating
    system for real computer users not university snoots trying to out do each
    other in the politically correct department]. With Windows, the drivers for
    the hardware will all be available and the operating system will be easily
    configurable. What did you expect?

    Saucy


  8. #8
    xfile Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux

    > Just read the article..

    I read it, so there are two questions:

    1. Is ZDNet an objective publisher and can we trust their comments? In this
    case, its main point is that Linux is not ready to replace Windows. In
    other cases, its blogs and comments will criticize Windows and Vista while
    people along a few MVPs will flame them for they are not a trustworthy
    publisher.

    Will you say that they get paid to say something good about Windows?

    So is it a creditable publisher or not and can we trust this article with
    the same standard?

    2. What Carey said: "They don't want to spend time to learn it
    so they bring it back to the store." It's not too far away from the reason
    and isn't it the same reason for many reverting back to XP?

    Keep doing changes without solid and productive reasons will help Windows
    become more and more alien to their users and will it be just like when
    people pick up a Linux box and need to learn it all over again?

    So should it be like what I originally stated that it should be a lesson to
    the company too, especially when they already learned some from Vista? And
    that people don't want to WASTE time on learning something they have already
    learned is also seen in the story?



    "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
    news:e%23ON$4GKJHA.5320@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:%23QXIwPDKJHA.728@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> >They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    >>> bring it back to the store.

    >>
    >> Without reading the article and assuming the above is quoted from the
    >> article, just hope Microsoft and MVPs and their diehard supporters could
    >> remember and learn from it and understand that it's a normal behavior and
    >> stop flaming people for being too lazy to learn anything.
    >>
    >> It could work for you (as in this case) or against you if you are too
    >> ignorant to know.
    >>
    >>
    >> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:O3grHZCKJHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> "Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled with Linux
    >>> are returned
    >>> four times more often than those with Windows. This would indicate what
    >>> others
    >>> have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and then
    >>> realize that
    >>> the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.
    >>>
    >>> The main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based machines] is
    >>> Linux.
    >>> People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know what they get
    >>> until
    >>> they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start
    >>> realizing that
    >>> it's not what they are used to. They don't want to spend time to learn
    >>> it so they
    >>> bring it back to the store.
    >>>
    >>> Clearly, Windows is far superior to Linux is the "Real World" of
    >>> computing!
    >>>
    >>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=557
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > Just read the article..
    >
    >
    > --
    > Mike Hall - MVP
    > How to construct a good post..
    > http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
    > How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
    > Mike's Window - My Blog..
    > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
    >
    >
    >
    >




  9. #9
    Alias Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux

    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
    > "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:4382C4E9-C700-4FFB-9674-DA0073B84ACB@microsoft.com...
    >>
    >>
    >> "xfile" wrote:
    >>
    >>> >They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    >>> > bring it back to the store.
    >>>
    >>> Without reading the article and assuming the above is quoted from the
    >>> article, just hope Microsoft and MVPs and their diehard supporters could
    >>> remember and learn from it and understand that it's a normal behavior
    >>> and
    >>> stop flaming people for being too lazy to learn anything.
    >>>
    >>> It could work for you (as in this case) or against you if you are too
    >>> ignorant to know.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:O3grHZCKJHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> > "Real World" experience shows that new notebooks preinstalled with
    >>> > Linux
    >>> > are returned
    >>> > four times more often than those with Windows. This would indicate
    >>> > what
    >>> > others
    >>> > have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and
    >>> then
    >>> > realize that
    >>> > the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.
    >>> >
    >>> > The main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based
    >>> machines] is
    >>> > Linux.
    >>> > People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don't know what they
    >>> get
    >>> > until
    >>> > they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start
    >>> > realizing that
    >>> > it's not what they are used to. They don't want to spend time to
    >>> learn > it
    >>> > so they
    >>> > bring it back to the store.
    >>> >
    >>> > Clearly, Windows is far superior to Linux is the "Real World" of
    >>> > computing!
    >>> >
    >>> > Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=557
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> They don't want to spend time to learn it so they
    >>> bring it back to the store.

    >>
    >> Exactly, these people want to keep the general public in complete
    >> ignorance
    >> so that they can make huge profits for themselves.
    >> I couldn't find anything difficult in learning Linux system and its a
    >> wonderful system to work on it. I enjoy computing more now than
    >> before, only
    >> regret is "why didn't I switch earlier".

    >
    >
    > Because you couldn't have handled the command line versions?
    >
    >


    Perhaps this will help you if you want to use the command line:

    http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/linux/cmd/

    Alias

  10. #10
    the wharf rat Guest

    Default Re: People just hate Linux

    In article <e9#OpDHKJHA.5532@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
    Saucy <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
    >
    >Linux is a nightmare.
    >


    Oh, horseshit.

    >Configuration files all over the place, each with its own way of
    >configuring


    And what exactly were you trying to configure that required
    hand editing?

    >Linux is a headache. Updating a typical Linux install can involve many
    >hundreds of megabytes of updating if not gigabytes. And pray that the buggy
    >updater doesn't fail - 'cause Linux updaters do - spectacularly. Which means


    I'm sorry, but that's also horseshit. Yum, aptget, and the like
    are far more reliable and flexible than Windows Update, and never get them-
    selves in a state that requires manually editing a system registry to be
    able to continue (As in "can't apply update update in progress").

    Size of updates? Ever looked at XP service pack 2 or IE6?

    Here's a good example: Install DX9 on a fresh XP install. First
    you have to find it. Then you'll be in a web loop because clicking the
    "download" link brings you back to the page you started from but you'll figure
    it out eventually by searching technet for dx9 downloads. After you download
    it it's pretty easy to install because you just have to find the file and
    execute it then answer a bunch of ridiculous questions and reboot.

    Now, compare that to "yum install emacs".

    >a re-install, device configuring and trying the updater again. LOL. What a
    >nightmare.


    Having updated tens of thousands of linux systems (yes, tens
    of thousands) I've never seen that happen. Were you using an X86 based
    system or trying to port to some obscure architecture?

    >Linux is ugly.


    It's simple. No one needs stupid special effects on an OS gui.

    >Linux is so badly supported it's amazing that .. well, it's so badly


    I'm sorry, but that's horseshit. Linux forums have actual technical
    information, while Windows forums are filled with "That happens to me too!
    Let me know when you figure it out..." Niether is supported by the "vendor".
    Unless you pay them.

    >the manufacturer will not be supporting Linux.


    Horseshit. Most hardware vendors explicitly suppport linux, and
    of those that don't a driver exists for the majority.


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